Did Paul Predict an Apostasy in Which the Church Would be Completely Lost?

2 Thessalonians 2

1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-13, NIV)


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Not long ago, I was engaged in an online conversation with a Mormon who was explaining the necessity and legitimacy of the Mormon church.

You can read about the larger context that prompted this discussion in my blog post “Should People Take the Mormon Challenge?”

If you’re not familiar with Mormonism, you should know that it is not just another of the many Christian denominations that exist. It is something entirely different from the traditional Christianity that is represented by the many mainline Christian denominations and traditions.

Mormonism was founded in 1830 by Joseph Smith, who, according to his testimony, was confused by the many different Christian denominations in place at the time. He sought to determine which one was right so he could know which one he should follow.

Joseph Smith claims that he received a revelation directly from God the Father and Jesus, in which he was told that NONE of the denominations were correct and that he should not follow any of them.

Supposedly, Joseph Smith was later directed by an angel to some buried golden plates, which were subsequently translated into “The Book of Mormon”.  Not long after, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) was formed as the re-establishment of the true church that had allegedly been lost ever since the original apostles died off.

Interestingly, Mormonism today seeks to be known as “Christian” even though all of the Christian denominations of today were apparently labeled by Jesus himself as wrong.

Naturally, most Christians today do not think that they’re wrong, nor do they believe that they have fallen off the path, as Joseph Smith maintains that Jesus told him.

Hence, there is genuine debate regarding the origins of Mormonism and the truthfulness of its claims.


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A key argument that Mormons make to support their claim that Jesus visited Joseph Smith is the assertion that the original New Testament church fell into apostasy and the original church teachings and church authority were lost….for nearly 1800 years!

This passage in 2 Thessalonians is often used as one proof text to assert that Paul himself predicted that the church would fall into apostasy.

If the church indeed fell into apostasy and it can be demonstrated that even the apostles knew this would happen, then the idea that Jesus would appear at some point to someone to re-establish the true church seems at least plausible, if not inevitable.

Unfortunately, there are quite a number of problems with the Mormon teaching on this passage as it relates to their view of a universal and cataclysmic apostasy of the church.

First of all, how does one reconcile the Mormon view that the church fell into apostasy and was lost with Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 16, in which he said that he would establish his church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it? Jesus taught that nothing could ultimately eliminate his church. Yet Mormons teach that the gates of hell could prevail against Christ’s church and indeed DID prevail….for nearly 1800 years!

Secondly, if the church DID fall into apostasy and was completely lost (which we assert is not possible according to Jesus), why would Jesus wait 1800 years to re-establish His church? That’s an awfully long time with a lot of lost people who ultimately had no hope, given the complete absence of the church.

Third, Mormons make the interpretive error of eisegesis (reading their preferred interpretation into the text) when they assume that passages which warn of false teachers and ideologies are evidence of a universal apostasy in which the church would be lost. While Jesus and the apostles often warned of false teachers and frequently pointed to our sinful tendencies to pursue worldly desires at the expense of following Christ and obeying His Great Commission, there are NO passages where Jesus or any of his apostles predict that the universal church and its teachings would be completely lost.

Finally, this passage in 2 Thessalonians 2 is offered up as one of several primary passages that speak to this alleged apostasy. According to Mormon teaching, Jesus, Paul and others all KNEW that the church would fall into apostasy and spoke openly about it.

The problem for Mormons is that this passage says nothing about the church being lost, nor does it even hint that there would be a universal apostasy shortly after the apostles left the scene. In short, this passage doesn’t teach what Mormons say it teaches.

It’s clear from the very first verse of this chapter that Paul is speaking about the 2nd coming of Christ. Paul had taught the Thessalonians about this subject on many occasions, as he states in verse 5.

The Thessalonians were confused about the timing of the 2nd coming and were anxious because of false reports coming from would-be prophets and random itinerant preachers who claimed that the day of the Lord had already occurred.

The Thessalonians were worried that perhaps they had missed the big day and had been left behind. Paul assures them that the “day of the Lord”, which refers to the 2nd coming of Christ, had NOT happened yet and would not happen until certain visible and identifiable events had taken place.

Paul lists these events, including the “man of lawlessness” entering the temple and calling himself god.

This event clearly has not happened yet and when it does happen, it will not lead to an apostasy of the church as Mormons claim, but it will lead to the 2nd coming of Christ as is clear from verse 1.

Since it’s clear from the text that the events Paul is talking about are STILL future events, this passage cannot be legitimately offered up as evidence that the church was lost shortly after the apostles died off and therefore needed to be restored nearly 1800 years later.

The truth is, there is no evidence that the church of the New Testament was ever lost. Sure, there have been many within the church who have been led to follow a path of false teachings. That has always been the case. Even in the time of the apostles we see that there were many false teachers and many false teachings. We even see devout disciples who are led astray. But none of this proves that the church as a whole was fully and fundamentally lost.

Additionally, there is no evidence that the New Testament church’s teachings and structure resembled anything remotely mirroring the current Mormon church.

The New Testament documents are fairly well preserved and we can trace the traditions and the teachings of not only the apostles but the early church fathers. Historically, we can trace theological heresies as well as denominational splinter groups. We can compare all of it with the teachings of the New Testament to determine what is accurate and what is not.

Mormonism wants you to believe that Jesus told Joseph Smith that all the Christian denominations were wrong and that Mormonism is right.

The problem is that we cannot verify that Joseph Smith ever had a real encounter with Jesus, but we can evaluate Mormon teachings to those of Jesus and the New Testament apostles. By that metric, Mormonism fails because it teaches a gospel message that is in stark contrast to that which we know was taught by Jesus and his disciples.

 


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Reflection

Mormons claim that this passage teaches a universal apostasy of the church shortly after the apostles died off. Based on the plain reading of the text, do you agree that this is what Paul is teaching? Why or why not?

Mormons say that church authority and structure were lost when the church fell into apostasy. Yet Jesus taught that the gates of hell could not prevail against His church. How does one ultimately determine which view is correct? What standards or protocols do you think are needed to evaluate the veracity of each sides’ claims?

We have a record of Jesus’ teachings and the teachings of many of His disciples. We call this the New Testament. Do you think the New Testament has been accurately preserved? In other words, do you believe that the New Testament is an accurate reflection of the account of Jesus’ life and ministry as well as an accurate account of the New Testament church and its teachings? What are the reasons for the position you hold?

If the church did fall into apostasy and was completely lost as Mormons claim, when and where did the “man of lawlessness” event take place? To what is Paul referring to?

Paul says that “the secret power of lawlessness is already at work”? What is Paul referring to? What does that mean? Paul also says that “the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.” Who do you think is the one who now holds back the secret power of lawlessness?

 

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A Psalm that Doubles as a Responsive Reading

Psalm 136

1Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good!
His faithful love endures forever
2Give thanks to the God of gods.
His faithful love endures forever
3Give thanks to the Lord of lords.
His faithful love endures forever
4Give thanks to him who alone does mighty miracles.
His faithful love endures forever
5Give thanks to him who made the heavens so skillfully.
His faithful love endures forever
6Give thanks to him who placed the earth on the water.
His faithful love endures forever
7Give thanks to him who made the heavenly lights—
His faithful love endures forever
8the sun to rule the day,
His faithful love endures forever
9and the moon and stars to rule the night.
His faithful love endures forever
10Give thanks to him who killed the firstborn of Egypt.
His faithful love endures forever
11He brought Israel out of Egypt.
His faithful love endures forever
12He acted with a strong hand and powerful arm.
His faithful love endures forever
13Give thanks to him who parted the Red Sea
His faithful love endures forever
14He led Israel safely through,
His faithful love endures forever
15but he hurled Pharaoh and his army into the sea.
His faithful love endures forever
16Give thanks to him who led his people through the wilderness.
His faithful love endures forever
17Give thanks to him who struck down mighty kings.
His faithful love endures forever
18He killed powerful kings—
His faithful love endures forever
19Sihon king of the Amorites,
His faithful love endures forever
20and Og king of Bashan.
His faithful love endures forever
21God gave the land of these kings as an inheritance—
His faithful love endures forever
22a special possession to his servant Israel.
His faithful love endures forever
23He remembered our utter weakness.
His faithful love endures forever
24He saved us from our enemies.
His faithful love endures forever
25He gives food to every living thing.
His faithful love endures forever
26Give thanks to the God of heaven.
His faithful love endures forever

(Psa.lm 136: 1-26, NLT)


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I grew up attending a traditional Protestant church, complete with Sunday school for kids and adults, followed by a worship service for the whole family.

We didn’t have a worship band like you find in many churches today. Instead, we had a choir director who also led the congregation in singing. In those days, “praise and worship songs” were considered folk songs that were reserved for singing around a campfire. They were not appropriate for the Sunday morning worship service.

For the worship service, we sang hymns from a hymnal that you could grab from the pew rack in front of you.

One of the more interesting elements of those old Sunday morning worship services was the occasional “responsive reading”. These were usually found in the back of the hymnal and consisted of two parts – the part that was recited by the worship director (usually in normal type), followed by the part that the congregation recited in unison (often depicted in bold type).

I always enjoyed those responsive readings, even though we did them only occasionally. As a kid, I think I liked being able to show off my reading skills, but as I grew older, I liked the opportunity this element provided to participate in the service in a different way. It was engaging, in a unique sort of way.

In today’s modern worship services, I rarely encounter a responsive reading. Today’s worship services often place a higher emphasis on creating an encounter for the congregants through a highly produced worship event rather than helping the attender to encounter God through this more simplistic reflection device.

I don’t mean to denigrate current worship styles as I very much appreciate the atmosphere and aura that a worship team can create through the amazing talents of ordinary people. The Sunday morning worship experience has certainly come a long way over the last 50 years. But I do think that there is tremendous value in some of these “older” Scriptural reflection elements that have sadly fallen out of style and favor.

What’s interesting to me is that the responsive reading is actually a biblical invention, as seen clearly in this psalm of thankfulness.

Twelve times in these 26 verses the psalmist makes the statement to “Give thanks” followed by a reason to give thanks. The first 9 verses detail God’s power in creation. In verses 10 through 16, the psalmist gives thanks for God’s deliverance of His people from the Egyptians.

In verses 17 through 24, the psalmist gives thanks for God leading the Israelites to their promised land and allowing His people to conquer and destroy their enemies.

Finally, the psalmist gives thanks for God’s general provision and sovereignty.

Interlaced between each of these statements of thankfulness is the repeated phrase, “His faithful love endures forever”, which is repeated 26 times. I’m getting the impression that the psalmist wants to say something about God’s faithful love enduring forever!

Think for a moment about the statement, “His faithful love endures forever.”

What do you think it means? Why do you think the psalmist chose that statement to be repeated in each verse?

The Hebrew word that is translated as “love” in this verse is the word “hesed” which has been translated as “loyal love”, “lovingkindness”, “steadfast love” and “faithful love.” It has also been translated as mercy, as in Ephesians 2:4:

4But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so very much, 5that even while we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead.

The conclusion is that everything God has done, whether related to His miraculous work of creation or His mighty acts of deliverance, was ultimately rooted in and motivated by His great love.

God is love and He loved us so much that died for us. He is faithful, which means we can trust Him. His love and His faithfulness endure forever, which means the same God we read about in the Bible is the same God who lives today. He has not changed and His love and faithfulness will not run out. As a result, we can trust Him with our lives today just as the psalmist did 3000 years ago.

Reflection

What do you think it means that God’s faithful love endures forever? When you think and reflect on that statement about God, what comes to your mind?

What are some of the mighty acts God has accomplished in your life? Think about specific things that have happened in your life for which you are thankful.

What are some things you are thankful for related to your spiritual life and your new life as a believer?

Spiritual Exercise

Take a moment to write your own psalm of thanksgiving to God. Think about specific things in your past you are thankful to God for. Think also about the many spiritual blessings you have as a result of knowing Jesus.

Write out each of those statements on a lined sheet of paper, leaving a blank line between each written statement.

Now, after each statement, write the following in the blank line:

His faithful love endures forever.

After you have written your own personal psalm of thanksgiving, read it aloud, placing special emphasis on the phrase, “His faithful love endures forever.”

What thoughts, feelings and emotions did you experience while reading your personal psalm? 

What can you do to ensure that you don’t forget or ignore all of the good deeds and mighty miracles God has done in your own life?

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We want to be Baptized!

Jacob and Joshua - October 20, 2013
Jacob and Joshua – October 20, 2013

Recently, I came across a picture from 2006. Jacob and Joshua were holding up a Good News booklet after they both had made a decision to trust in Jesus.

Jacob and Joshua proudly hold up their Good News booklet after having received Christ.
Jacob and Joshua proudly hold up their Good News booklet after having received Christ.

Over the years, we’ve had a number of conversations about their decision and whenever our church had planned a baptism time at the beach, we talked to them about it. But they were always a bit hesitant to take that step to publicly identify themselves as followers of Jesus via baptism.

A few weeks ago, unexpectedly, they both came home from their Wednesday night youth group meeting and announced that they wanted to get baptized.

So that Sunday, after the service, they both took the plunge, literally, to identify to everyone their desire to follow Christ.

It was an exciting moment for us as parents to see our boys growing spiritually and desiring to live for Christ.

We wanted to share that moment with you and say thanks for your prayers for us and our family. It has meant a lot to us to have dear friends and partners in the gospel praying for our family and our boys and their spiritual development.

Please keep praying for us and our family. And don’t hesitate to share any prayer needs you might have with us!

Love,
Dave & Jen

Jacob baptism
Jacob being baptized!
Jacob baptized!
Jacob baptized!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joshua being baptized
Joshua preparing to go under!

 

 

 

 

 

Joshua baptized!
Joshua is baptized!